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Posted 09 June 2018 - 07:30 PM

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:47 AM

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:10 AM

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 12:05 PM

This site is up. How about that. I haven't watched the video, but I've followed this closely. To quote 2016 Trump, sounds good, doesn't work.

 

Let's pretend that Americans farmers aren't about to get wiped out in the ensuing trade war. Let's pretend that rising costs don't get passed along to consumers and that this will make nearly everyone a little bit poorer in a transfer of wealth to a tiny minority of workers. Instead, do a simple, easy thought experiment:

 

About 35% of American exports consist of advanced machinery, vehicles, and aircraft. That's a key reason the value of American manufacturing and exports keep increasing, even as fewer workers are needed to do it: we tend to do the complicated, expensive stuff. Even Chinese factories run on the machines advanced nations build and sell them. Boeing alone employs more people than American steel, and is our largest exporter. Caterpillar is the world's largest manufacturer of heavy machinery and half of their sales are overseas.

 

Steel and aluminum are key inputs for our most important exports. So what's going to happen to those businesses downstream of steel and aluminum, which employ many, many times more people than steel and aluminum manufacturing itself?

 

Foreign competitors will still have access to the cheaper inputs. The economy of the rest of the world is about 75% of global activity. Even without retaliatory tariffs, American businesses who buy steel and aluminum downstream are going to get shut out of international markets where they used to be able to compete. More manufacturing is going to end up overseas to avoid American tariffs, and the trade deficit is going to get worse, not better, because steel and aluminum are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the value of the things that are made from it.

 

The layoffs down the chain are only to reduce the demand for the work Trump is trying to bring back. American business groups are estimating job losses over one million, with some figures pointing to sixteen jobs lost for every steel or aluminum job brought home once you factor in the damage to farmers.

 

Obstructing trade in a bid to get a bigger piece of the pie usually just reduces the size of the pie for everyone. Trump even admitted to this, citing his own Wharton education. At the extreme end, that's why Americans ended up starving to death in Hoovervilles trying to grow enough food to survive when we attempted to "fix" the Great Depression with rounds of tariffs. Republicans have build their platform on this fact for decades, and they still do: https://www.wsj.com/...nion-1527774283

 

“This is dumb,” said Sen. Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican. “Europe, Canada, and Mexico are not China, and you don’t treat allies the same way you treat opponents.”

Rep. Kevin Brady, the Republican chairman of the House committee that oversees trade, said the Trump administration “will need to come to Capitol Hill to provide answers about the indiscriminate harm these tariffs are causing our local businesses.”

Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said: “Tariffs on steel and aluminum imports are a tax hike on Americans and will have damaging consequences for consumers, manufacturers and workers. I will continue to push the administration to change course.”

 

Trump is not a conservative, he's just Bernie Sanders for a different kind of liberal victim culture. In fact, they have the same trade policies.

 

Good luck to him with this, though.


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 12:42 PM

Our exports are hit with sizable tariffs while we let their imports in with either no tariff or else a smaller one than what they charge us. Hes calling for all tariffs to be lifted.

I fail to see the problem with asking others to treat us as well as we have been treating them.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:23 PM

Payne is willfully dishonest here, for two reasons:

 

1) Most of Canada's agricultural tariffs are on products we already subsidize with taxpayer money, to the tune of $20 billion. Canadian aluminum is not the same situation. Aluminum requires a huge amount of electricity that Quebec produces more cheaply, and their competitive advantage is so large that Canadian aluminum producers already raised their prices by 10% and pocketed the half-billion extra over the last two months just to make a point: Canadian aluminum is so much more efficient that American industry has to buy it.

 

2) By way of example, the United States has an aggressive sugar tariff. Not because it's an "important industry" - it isn't, hardly anyone actually works in it - but because it has a well-organized lobby that knows where to mail the checks. American Crystal Sugar is right up there with the American Bankers Association in terms of federal campaign donations.

 

That means that if you eat food - and you do - you're one of the generous Americans who transfers millions of dollars to beet farmers, much of which they then donate to politicians to keep the crooked policy in place over decades of conservative objections.

 

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Just like aluminum and steel, the downstream industries that use sugar as an input employ many times more people than are employed producing sugar, and just as will happen with aluminum and steel, we've lost many more jobs in food processing than we've captured in sugar production because of it. Life Savers haven't been made in America for fifteen years, they actually moved to Canada in 2003, like many other candy makers, to keep overpriced American sugar out of their product.

 

The same thing is going on here. This isn't about about reciprocity or protecting industry, it's about Pennsylvania being an important swing state that Trump wants. The policy is a net destroyer of American industry and bad for American consumers, but that isn't a factor.


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:24 PM

This site is up. How about that. I haven't watched the video, but I've followed this closely. To quote 2016 Trump, sounds good, doesn't work.

 

Let's pretend that Americans farmers aren't about to get wiped out in the ensuing trade war. Let's pretend that rising costs don't get passed along to consumers and that this will make nearly everyone a little bit poorer in a transfer of wealth to a tiny minority of workers. Instead, do a simple, easy thought experiment:

 

About 35% of American exports consist of advanced machinery, vehicles, and aircraft. That's a key reason the value of American manufacturing and exports keep increasing, even as fewer workers are needed to do it: we tend to do the complicated, expensive stuff. Even Chinese factories run on the machines advanced nations build and sell them. Boeing alone employs more people than American steel, and is our largest exporter. Caterpillar is the world's largest manufacturer of heavy machinery and half of their sales are overseas.

 

Steel and aluminum are key inputs for our most important exports. So what's going to happen to those businesses downstream of steel and aluminum, which employ many, many times more people than steel and aluminum manufacturing itself?

 

Foreign competitors will still have access to the cheaper inputs. The economy of the rest of the world is about 75% of global activity. Even without retaliatory tariffs, American businesses who buy steel and aluminum downstream are going to get shut out of international markets where they used to be able to compete. More manufacturing is going to end up overseas to avoid American tariffs, and the trade deficit is going to get worse, not better, because steel and aluminum are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the value of the things that are made from it.

 

The layoffs down the chain are only to reduce the demand for the work Trump is trying to bring back. American business groups are estimating job losses over one million, with some figures pointing to sixteen jobs lost for every steel or aluminum job brought home once you factor in the damage to farmers.

 

Obstructing trade in a bid to get a bigger piece of the pie usually just reduces the size of the pie for everyone. Trump even admitted to this, citing his own Wharton education. At the extreme end, that's why Americans ended up starving to death in Hoovervilles trying to grow enough food to survive when we attempted to "fix" the Great Depression with rounds of tariffs. Republicans have build their platform on this fact for decades, and they still do: https://www.wsj.com/...nion-1527774283

 

 

Trump is not a conservative, he's just Bernie Sanders for a different kind of liberal victim culture. In fact, they have the same trade policies.

 

Good luck to him with this, though.

 

 

 

Anti-Trumpers can't see what he is doing because they spend too much time jerking off to Stormy Daniels and hating Russians.  Trump is making it almost impossible to NOT bring wealth back to the United States and by doing that he is making our country self sustainable.  He is creating localism on a national scale.  As it develops it will crush the rest of the world for not offering the united States 0 tariffs because we won't need them and they will be screwed AF without our consumption.  The man is an economic genius.


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The Constitution guarantees you the right to trial by jury. This means that government must bring its case before a jury of The People if government wants to deprive any person of life, liberty or property. Jurors can say no to government tyranny by refusing to convict.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:38 PM

Trump is making it almost impossible to NOT bring wealth back to the United States and by doing that he is making our country self sustainable.  He is creating localism on a national scale.  As it develops it will crush the rest of the world for not offering the united States 0 tariffs because we won't need them and they will be screwed AF without our consumption.  The man is an economic genius.

 

If you have a liberal Democrat's understanding of business and economics and believe that wealth is a zero-sum game, this would make perfect sense. Either way, I hope, for all of our sakes, that you and Trump are both right and 250 years of capitalist thought is wrong.

 

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 04:13 PM

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The Prime Minister of Japan is saying "Bring it bitches, I'm with Trump."


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 04:17 PM

 

If you have a liberal Democrat's understanding of business and economics and believe that wealth is a zero-sum game, this would make perfect sense. Either way, I hope, for all of our sakes, that you and Trump are both right and 250 years of capitalist thought is wrong.

 

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Go off into the sunset bro.  Your twist is overrated and washed up.  You don't see things in real time.  Just my opinion though.


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 04:27 PM

 

 

The Prime Minister of Japan is saying "Bring it bitches, I'm with Trump."

 

And by the way, Abe is eyeballing soyboy Macron from France.  Like I said "Bring it bitches, I'm with Trump."


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 05:48 PM

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 06:18 PM

Glad you are back, Bingoloid. I enjoy your well reasoned and fact filled replies. Don’t recall a single personal attack either (although I admit my memory isn’t as sharp as it used to be).

On a more macro level, these figures from the world bank don’t support the “we’re being ripped off by tariffs” narrative either (but swing states are indeed important).

Average tariff rates charged by G-7 nations:
USA: 1.6%
EU: 1.6%
UK: 1.6%
Italy: 1.6%
Germany: 1.6%
France: 1.6%
Japan: 1.4%
Canada: 0.8%

But we’ll own the libs....

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 06:31 PM

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 06:49 PM

Just heard an interesting analysis - their point was that the Dairy industry in Canada is as protected as the sugar beet industry in the US for the same reason - the lobby is hugely powerful. Their guess is that Trudeau has to posture to protect the tariff due to the power of the lobby, but will ultimately have to cave. He’s already under pressure since the US tax cuts are causing capital to flee from Canada. Their theory was that killing the dairy tariff will be the end of Trudeau. Interesting theory, time will tell.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:18 PM

Glad you are back, Bingoloid. I enjoy your well reasoned and fact filled replies. Don’t recall a single personal attack either (although I admit my memory isn’t as sharp as it used to be).

On a more macro level, these figures from the world bank don’t support the “we’re being ripped off by tariffs” narrative either (but swing states are indeed important).

Average tariff rates charged by G-7 nations:
USA: 1.6%
EU: 1.6%
UK: 1.6%
Italy: 1.6%
Germany: 1.6%
France: 1.6%
Japan: 1.4%
Canada: 0.8%

But we’ll own the libs....

 

So you people want to tell the rest of us that America does NOT have trade deficits<huge>with the rest of the world???  You seriously want to tell us that?  


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:21 PM

The followers of the hard left Democrat party have been losing for so long they have Stockholm syndrome.  Period, end of mystery.


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 04:42 AM

I'm not sure if my comprehension on this Trump/Trudeau post g7 conflict is valid but I'll throw this out there for opinion...Trump says we have a 270 billion dollar trade deficit and Trudeau says we're supposed to be close allies, basically, we always have Americas back so he doesn't see the problem. He states he will always act in favor of his workers...I bet he does...

 

How about your people get 4-6 weeks vacation, 9 months off for having a baby and free medical for everyone. I always wondered how Canada paid for all that. I always heard they have a lot taken out of their paychecks, well so do we...it's just nickel and dimed so unless you really track every penny...which I've done and apparently so has Hannity because he came up with the same number I did...the government(state local and fed combined) somehow manages to get 63%. In fact wasn't it sometime in April when they announced Americans have now earned enough to cover their taxes?

WE WORK OVER FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR JUST TO PAY FOR GOVERNMENT. I think it would be a worthy goal if President Trump etal could find some more ways to shorten that.



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Posted 11 June 2018 - 04:52 AM

Loyalty and friendship are not for sale.

I win.



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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:47 AM

I could certainly be wrong about this, but it seems that some of the most vocal critics of the tariff fight are the conservatives (not the Alex Jones type guys, but the folks who actually study this stuff). There is a growing conservative contingent who are seeing these developments as antithetical to conservative principles. I really don’t know of anyone who has seriously studied economics who thinks of trade wars and protectionist strategies as being positive.

Both political parties are engaged in full blown tribalism - only difference is which tribe. Trump is playing both like a fiddle but make no mistake about it, it is only for Trump, regardless of the damage left behind. You may notice that Burger King never trashes McDonalds and vice versa. They know that it destroys the category, damaging both. Trump doesn’t care - he IS the category.



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