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A lot of hype leading up to his first start and he lived up to it fanning 14.
It is the Pirates and all but still.
The kid throws 98+, with a plus sinker, and a nasty hook piece.
Another good thing for the game.
Washington was rocking last night and they are hanging around in the NL East which is shaping up to be a legit race to season's end.
Milledge had a sick throw to the plate as well in the game. All and all a great debut for the young buck.
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Looked like the real deal, lot of good young players arriving in the NL East with Heyward in Atlanta, Stanton In Fla , and IKe in NY but this kid looks like he could be a once in a generation type of guy....He is scary good
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A lot of hype leading up to his first start and he lived up to it fanning 14.
It is the Pirates and all but still.
The kid throws 98+, with a plus sinker, and a nasty hook piece.
Another good thing for the game.
Washington was rocking last night and they are hanging around in the NL East which is shaping up to be a legit race to season's end.
Milledge had a sick throw to the plate as well in the game. All and all a great debut for the young buck.
It is the Pirates and all but still.
The kid throws 98+, with a plus sinker, and a nasty hook piece.
Another good thing for the game.
Washington was rocking last night and they are hanging around in the NL East which is shaping up to be a legit race to season's end.
Milledge had a sick throw to the plate as well in the game. All and all a great debut for the young buck.
The Scranton Yankees beat Strasburg. Then again, the Scranton Yanks are a better team than the Pirates. Regardless, I really enjoyed watching Strasburg pitch. He looks like the real deal, but his mechanics seem off. The Nats had the #1 draft pick this year too and picked Bryce Harper. This kid also looks like a can't miss prospect, but may take a bit longer to develop because he's only 17.
Both guys should look great in pinstripes in the future.
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A lot of hype leading up to his first start and he lived up to it fanning 14.
It is the Pirates and all but still.
The kid throws 98+, with a plus sinker, and a nasty hook piece.
Another good thing for the game.
Washington was rocking last night and they are hanging around in the NL East which is shaping up to be a legit race to season's end.
Milledge had a sick throw to the plate as well in the game. All and all a great debut for the young buck.
It is the Pirates and all but still.
The kid throws 98+, with a plus sinker, and a nasty hook piece.
Another good thing for the game.
Washington was rocking last night and they are hanging around in the NL East which is shaping up to be a legit race to season's end.
Milledge had a sick throw to the plate as well in the game. All and all a great debut for the young buck.
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I watched from the fourth inning on and was very impressed on how he bounced back from the homer. On top of that, his seventh inning was a thing of beauty. I really believe that nobody in the league would have hit him that inning, he was locked in and determined in the seventh. Very impressive.
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Everyone is forgetting that pitchers are almost always dominant in their debuts, as well as their first year in the league. Then the professional hitters catch on to tendencies and study the scouting reports and figure the new pitcher out. Then "poof" they're gone before you know it. We won't know if this kid will be great for another 2-3 years. Hideo Nomo anyone?
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He's not going to have a sub-2.00 ERA or anything crazy like that, but he will rack up nice strikeout numbers.
Good lineups will work him deep into counts. Compound that with his desire to rack up Ks, and the result is consistently high pitch counts that will plague him.
The question is, can he learn how to get guys out with striking them out? And will he accept the fact that you can't try to strike everyone out? Every big leaguer has talked about having to make that adjustment.
For example, last night he went from using his 4-seam fastball to using is 2-seamer. After the HR, he went back to the 4-seamer to get the Ks.
Baseball lesson:
- 4-seam fastball: no movement, higher velocity. Appears visually to a hitter to be moving up because it's thrown on a plane which is more flat than any other pitch. It has the least amount of downward motion from the release point. Fools the Pirates hitters, but not as much against good veteran hitters in the playoffs.
- 2-seam fastball: less velocity, much more movement. Tails to one side or the other depending on which finger the pitcher uses for pressure.
Another problem, his change up was around 90 mph, which is an acceptable change of speed for his 98+ 4-seam fastball. The problem is when he goes to the 2-seamer with less velocity, now is change up is only a few mph slower, so it's not a changeup at all. That will cost him HRs if he doesn't figure out a new grip to his changeup to maintain arm speed, while also being at least 8 mph less than his 2-seamer.
Other than that, he's the next Nolan Ryan or better.
Good lineups will work him deep into counts. Compound that with his desire to rack up Ks, and the result is consistently high pitch counts that will plague him.
The question is, can he learn how to get guys out with striking them out? And will he accept the fact that you can't try to strike everyone out? Every big leaguer has talked about having to make that adjustment.
For example, last night he went from using his 4-seam fastball to using is 2-seamer. After the HR, he went back to the 4-seamer to get the Ks.
Baseball lesson:
- 4-seam fastball: no movement, higher velocity. Appears visually to a hitter to be moving up because it's thrown on a plane which is more flat than any other pitch. It has the least amount of downward motion from the release point. Fools the Pirates hitters, but not as much against good veteran hitters in the playoffs.
- 2-seam fastball: less velocity, much more movement. Tails to one side or the other depending on which finger the pitcher uses for pressure.
Another problem, his change up was around 90 mph, which is an acceptable change of speed for his 98+ 4-seam fastball. The problem is when he goes to the 2-seamer with less velocity, now is change up is only a few mph slower, so it's not a changeup at all. That will cost him HRs if he doesn't figure out a new grip to his changeup to maintain arm speed, while also being at least 8 mph less than his 2-seamer.
Other than that, he's the next Nolan Ryan or better.
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Everyone is forgetting that pitchers are almost always dominant in their debuts, as well as their first year in the league. Then the professional hitters catch on to tendencies and study the scouting reports and figure the new pitcher out. Then "poof" they're gone before you know it. We won't know if this kid will be great for another 2-3 years. Hideo Nomo anyone?
Way to take all the fun out of it.
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Everyone is forgetting that pitchers are almost always dominant in their debuts, as well as their first year in the league.
I strongly disagree on both counts.
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He's not going to have a sub-2.00 ERA or anything crazy like that, but he will rack up nice strikeout numbers.
Good lineups will work him deep into counts. Compound that with his desire to rack up Ks, and the result is consistently high pitch counts that will plague him.
The question is, can he learn how to get guys out with striking them out? And will he accept the fact that you can't try to strike everyone out? Every big leaguer has talked about having to make that adjustment.
For example, last night he went from using his 4-seam fastball to using is 2-seamer. After the HR, he went back to the 4-seamer to get the Ks.
Baseball lesson:
- 4-seam fastball: no movement, higher velocity. Appears visually to a hitter to be moving up because it's thrown on a plane which is more flat than any other pitch. It has the least amount of downward motion from the release point. Fools the Pirates hitters, but not as much against good veteran hitters in the playoffs.
- 2-seam fastball: less velocity, much more movement. Tails to one side or the other depending on which finger the pitcher uses for pressure.
Another problem, his change up was around 90 mph, which is an acceptable change of speed for his 98+ 4-seam fastball. The problem is when he goes to the 2-seamer with less velocity, now is change up is only a few mph slower, so it's not a changeup at all. That will cost him HRs if he doesn't figure out a new grip to his changeup to maintain arm speed, while also being at least 8 mph less than his 2-seamer.
Other than that, he's the next Nolan Ryan or better.
Good lineups will work him deep into counts. Compound that with his desire to rack up Ks, and the result is consistently high pitch counts that will plague him.
The question is, can he learn how to get guys out with striking them out? And will he accept the fact that you can't try to strike everyone out? Every big leaguer has talked about having to make that adjustment.
For example, last night he went from using his 4-seam fastball to using is 2-seamer. After the HR, he went back to the 4-seamer to get the Ks.
Baseball lesson:
- 4-seam fastball: no movement, higher velocity. Appears visually to a hitter to be moving up because it's thrown on a plane which is more flat than any other pitch. It has the least amount of downward motion from the release point. Fools the Pirates hitters, but not as much against good veteran hitters in the playoffs.
- 2-seam fastball: less velocity, much more movement. Tails to one side or the other depending on which finger the pitcher uses for pressure.
Another problem, his change up was around 90 mph, which is an acceptable change of speed for his 98+ 4-seam fastball. The problem is when he goes to the 2-seamer with less velocity, now is change up is only a few mph slower, so it's not a changeup at all. That will cost him HRs if he doesn't figure out a new grip to his changeup to maintain arm speed, while also being at least 8 mph less than his 2-seamer.
Other than that, he's the next Nolan Ryan or better.
He already said in a post-game interview that he wouldn't be suprised if he got less K's in his next games and that it wasn't that big of a deal. I think your issue with him is more about his inexperience at the MLB level. He'll get even better and smarter for sure.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 04:31 PM
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Everyone is forgetting that pitchers are almost always dominant in their debuts, as well as their first year in the league. Then the professional hitters catch on to tendencies and study the scouting reports and figure the new pitcher out. Then "poof" they're gone before you know it. We won't know if this kid will be great for another 2-3 years. Hideo Nomo anyone?
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It doesn't sound like most debuts to me. Plus I watched it, and I know what I see. Whatever "it" is, he has "it".
Whether he stays healthy will be the real key to being great.
Hideo Nomo never had the stuff that Strasburg has, not even in a dream.
That and Nomo was a very successful MLB Pitcher there Mr. Big Pants.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 04:40 PM
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He already said in a post-game interview that he wouldn't be suprised if he got less K's in his next games and that it wasn't that big of a deal. I think your issue with him is more about his inexperience at the MLB level. He'll get even better and smarter for sure.
Agree.
The HR didn't scare him out of the strikezone. He pounded it all night.
Pittsburgh, yea yea but he still threw a few right down the middle and they couldn't hit it because it was so overpowering.
The way the kid handles himself thus far tells me he will be a top notch guy barring injury.
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He already said in a post-game interview that he wouldn't be suprised if he got less K's in his next games and that it wasn't that big of a deal. I think your issue with him is more about his inexperience at the MLB level. He'll get even better and smarter for sure.
My issue is definitely inexperience, but only in the short term.
I am convinced that he's a guaranteed Hall of Famer if he stays healthy. I think that he's done ALL of the right things up to this point in time, which shows that he is mentally and emotionally prepared and capable.
With an arm like his, I'm sure he could have gone pro out of high school. Instead, he opted for TWO YEARS in college. Additionally, he sought out one of the best and most consistent hitters in the history of the game to be his college coach. That shows that he wants to learn and wants to be told what he's doing wrong and how to do it right. It's no mistake that his mechanics are FLAWLESS and his arm speed and release points are identical for all 4 of his pitches. You almost NEVER see that in a rookie! That shows work ethic, attention to detail, desire, dedication, etc... And willingness to be coached.
The thing about his post-game comments is that he says ALL of the right things. But that does not mean that he believes it deep down. In other words, he will go out there next start with his tenacity ... looking to strikeout everyone. That's been is philosophy since he was probably 7-years-old playing whiffleball. He has to make the adjustment to saying, I'm going to induce 3 groundballs this inning against their 3-4-5 hitters. He's NEVER thought that way in his life, I'm willing to bet.
I'm not saying that he won't make the mental adjustment, I'm just saying that it will be a problem during his rookie year, and that's why he won't be a dominate Cy Young contender quite yet.
He also has to address his changeup problem that I previously mentioned. But again, that takes time too. Pitchers spend years perfecting their changeup. Nolan Ryan only threw fastball-curve for years before he perfected his other pitches. I don't expect the kid to master a new changeup this season, or next.
Yeah, he's got all of the mental tools to go along with the physical ones. He will be outright scary 3 seasons from now. 20-game-winning, 375-K-per-season, Randy Johnson/Roger Clemens scary.
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"He has to make the adjustment to saying, I'm going to induce 3 groundballs this inning against their 3-4-5 hitters."
No he doesn't.
Nolan Ryan never said that.
Randy Johnson never said that.
Roger Clemens never said that.
Steve Carlton never said that.
Strasburg shouldn't either.
94 pitches thrown the other night and 14K's in 7 innings.
Efficiency seems fine to me.
No he doesn't.
Nolan Ryan never said that.
Randy Johnson never said that.
Roger Clemens never said that.
Steve Carlton never said that.
Strasburg shouldn't either.
94 pitches thrown the other night and 14K's in 7 innings.
Efficiency seems fine to me.
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Dude beat the Pittsburgh Pirates. THE PITTSBURGH PIRATES! Let's see how he does against a team like the Phillies. Like 27x said. The Scranton Yankees beat him. Let's give the stud a few years before we anoint him the chosen one.
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When a guy like Curt Shilling said the second he throws his first pitch in the majors he will be the best pitcher in baseball, that says alot. Curt doesnt give out too many compliments
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When a guy like Curt Shilling said the second he throws his first pitch in the majors he will be the best pitcher in baseball, that says alot. Curt doesnt give out too many compliments
I'm surprised Curt said that. Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball.
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My issue is definitely inexperience, but only in the short term.
I am convinced that he's a guaranteed Hall of Famer if he stays healthy. I think that he's done ALL of the right things up to this point in time, which shows that he is mentally and emotionally prepared and capable.
With an arm like his, I'm sure he could have gone pro out of high school. Instead, he opted for TWO YEARS in college. Additionally, he sought out one of the best and most consistent hitters in the history of the game to be his college coach. That shows that he wants to learn and wants to be told what he's doing wrong and how to do it right. It's no mistake that his mechanics are FLAWLESS and his arm speed and release points are identical for all 4 of his pitches. You almost NEVER see that in a rookie! That shows work ethic, attention to detail, desire, dedication, etc... And willingness to be coached.
The thing about his post-game comments is that he says ALL of the right things. But that does not mean that he believes it deep down. In other words, he will go out there next start with his tenacity ... looking to strikeout everyone. That's been is philosophy since he was probably 7-years-old playing whiffleball. He has to make the adjustment to saying, I'm going to induce 3 groundballs this inning against their 3-4-5 hitters. He's NEVER thought that way in his life, I'm willing to bet.
I'm not saying that he won't make the mental adjustment, I'm just saying that it will be a problem during his rookie year, and that's why he won't be a dominate Cy Young contender quite yet.
He also has to address his changeup problem that I previously mentioned. But again, that takes time too. Pitchers spend years perfecting their changeup. Nolan Ryan only threw fastball-curve for years before he perfected his other pitches. I don't expect the kid to master a new changeup this season, or next.
Yeah, he's got all of the mental tools to go along with the physical ones. He will be outright scary 3 seasons from now. 20-game-winning, 375-K-per-season, Randy Johnson/Roger Clemens scary.
I am convinced that he's a guaranteed Hall of Famer if he stays healthy. I think that he's done ALL of the right things up to this point in time, which shows that he is mentally and emotionally prepared and capable.
With an arm like his, I'm sure he could have gone pro out of high school. Instead, he opted for TWO YEARS in college. Additionally, he sought out one of the best and most consistent hitters in the history of the game to be his college coach. That shows that he wants to learn and wants to be told what he's doing wrong and how to do it right. It's no mistake that his mechanics are FLAWLESS and his arm speed and release points are identical for all 4 of his pitches. You almost NEVER see that in a rookie! That shows work ethic, attention to detail, desire, dedication, etc... And willingness to be coached.
The thing about his post-game comments is that he says ALL of the right things. But that does not mean that he believes it deep down. In other words, he will go out there next start with his tenacity ... looking to strikeout everyone. That's been is philosophy since he was probably 7-years-old playing whiffleball. He has to make the adjustment to saying, I'm going to induce 3 groundballs this inning against their 3-4-5 hitters. He's NEVER thought that way in his life, I'm willing to bet.
I'm not saying that he won't make the mental adjustment, I'm just saying that it will be a problem during his rookie year, and that's why he won't be a dominate Cy Young contender quite yet.
He also has to address his changeup problem that I previously mentioned. But again, that takes time too. Pitchers spend years perfecting their changeup. Nolan Ryan only threw fastball-curve for years before he perfected his other pitches. I don't expect the kid to master a new changeup this season, or next.
Yeah, he's got all of the mental tools to go along with the physical ones. He will be outright scary 3 seasons from now. 20-game-winning, 375-K-per-season, Randy Johnson/Roger Clemens scary.
DR. Cooper, no he could not have gone pro right out of high school. He was on the bubble even for San Diego St. wanting him. He was not drafted, He only through 90-91 when he first arrived. He was fat and out of shape. He lost 30 pounds in college and became the teams hardest worker.
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DR. Cooper, no he could not have gone pro right out of high school. He was on the bubble even for San Diego St. wanting him. He was not drafted, He only through 90-91 when he first arrived. He was fat and out of shape. He lost 30 pounds in college and became the teams hardest worker.
Wow! That's surprising! Good for him!
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"He has to make the adjustment to saying, I'm going to induce 3 groundballs this inning against their 3-4-5 hitters."
No he doesn't.
Nolan Ryan never said that.
Randy Johnson never said that.
Roger Clemens never said that.
Steve Carlton never said that.
Strasburg shouldn't either.
94 pitches thrown the other night and 14K's in 7 innings.
Efficiency seems fine to me.
No he doesn't.
Nolan Ryan never said that.
Randy Johnson never said that.
Roger Clemens never said that.
Steve Carlton never said that.
Strasburg shouldn't either.
94 pitches thrown the other night and 14K's in 7 innings.
Efficiency seems fine to me.
You certainly have a good point about who you named! But he was pitching against a minor league team the other night. Don't get me wrong, I think the kid will be in the Hall of Fame.
To further argue my point, I wonder how deep into games he will be pitching as a dedicated strikeout pitcher? When the top pitchers are regularly pulled at around 100-115 pitches these days? And good lineups are working him deep into the count consistently? So he Ks 10 batters, and hits 100 pitches by the middle of the 5th inning. That's an issue.
Keep in mind that Clemens never topped 300 Ks in a season. Not once! Johnson was 10x the strikeout pitcher that Clemens was. But who was better? Clemens was indisputably the better pitcher over the course of his career. In his prime, Johnson's ERA in the AL was in the mid-3s. While Clemens was in the mid-2s in the AL. My point is that Clemens had the goods, but had many many less Ks then Johnson. But Clemens was clearly the better pitcher. And I'd argue that Clemens could have racked up many more Ks if that's all he wanted to do.
So who does Strassburg want to be like? Johnson? Or Clemens?
See what I mean?
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