BC Fusion Premier Soccer Tryouts

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 10:56 AM

The BC United website has an announcement that there will be Fusion premier tryouts on August 9. From the announcement, it appears that they are attempting to add U10, U11, and U12 teams to their existing mix of U13 and up teams.

Does anyone know anything about the younger teams? Who the coaches might be, why the new teams are being added (other than the need for more revenue), whether players will be able to play for their existing club teams and in other sports while playing on a U10, U11, or U12 Fusion team, whether the younger teams will play in as many tournaments as the older teams (the State Cup, I believe, is only for older teams), how many players are likely to try out for these teams, and how critical it is for a younger player’s development to begin premier-level training before age 13?

Our child might be interested in trying out for one of the younger teams. He loves the sport and has displayed, in our opinion, a lot of talent for the game. We are very happy with his club team coach, however, and do not want to over-commit his time. Before seeing the tryout announcement, we were thinking that he would begin Fusion at age 13. Now that we see the younger teams being added, we are conflicted about whether to do this now or later. Any thoughts?

I am aware of some of the many criticisms of Fusion soccer in past threads and have no interests in rehashing old debates about Fusion’s cost and past success (or lack thereof). If possible, I’d like to focus on premier soccer at ages before 13 and how useful these teams—relative to a good club team with a good coach—might be in a younger player’s development. The Syracuse Empire Soccer club appears to have premier teams down to U8. Does this give the Syracuse premier teams at edge over other premier teams at age 13?

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 12:06 PM

The coaches arent decided because they are shaking up things by the long overdue removal of the Girls Program coordinator etc.

I would ask alot of questions at Fusion before committing your family and your son to their program.

The questions you presented in your post are good. Also find out what happens if you dont try out....do you have the option to join a team later?

Will the younger teams be coaches by Paul Marco's BU players? Or by a real coach.

From what i remember last year they were hurting to get good quality coaches that were committed to player development rather than feeding their own egos or perversions.

I would ask for alot of answers, concrete answers before I committed.

My kids are older. They played for Vestal their whole childhood and didnt go to Fusion until they were U13. Never regretted it and never did I feel they were behind.

Id assume this move by Fusion is revenue driven, to offset dollars lost on the girls side from mismanagement this past couple years.

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:02 PM

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The coaches arent decided because they are shaking up things by the long overdue removal of the Girls Program coordinator etc.

I would ask alot of questions at Fusion before committing your family and your son to their program.

The questions you presented in your post are good. Also find out what happens if you dont try out....do you have the option to join a team later?

Will the younger teams be coaches by Paul Marco's BU players? Or by a real coach.

From what i remember last year they were hurting to get good quality coaches that were committed to player development rather than feeding their own egos or perversions.

I would ask for alot of answers, concrete answers before I committed.

My kids are older. They played for Vestal their whole childhood and didnt go to Fusion until they were U13. Never regretted it and never did I feel they were behind.

Id assume this move by Fusion is revenue driven, to offset dollars lost on the girls side from mismanagement this past couple years.

I have kids in the younger BC United / Fusion Feeder teams and they played and play for local club teams as well. It is very interesting as they are learning skills and teamwork far above what they learn for the clubs. If you watch the little kids games critically... the younger BCU teams lose, a lot, but are way more skilled as they don't just beat the ball around, have one stronger kid score a bunch of goals etc. As they get older they have far developed skills and excel beyond the clubs. Just an observation and I am sure people may disagree but... that's my two cents. Please keep the jc/ me idiots, and the few fusion bashers on a different thread and keep this one for significant commentary.

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:05 PM

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I have kids in the younger BC United / Fusion Feeder teams and they played and play for local club teams as well. It is very interesting as they are learning skills and teamwork far above what they learn for the clubs. If you watch the little kids games critically... the younger BCU teams lose, a lot, but are way more skilled as they don't just beat the ball around, have one stronger kid score a bunch of goals etc. As they get older they have far developed skills and excel beyond the clubs. Just an observation and I am sure people may disagree but... that's my two cents. Please keep the jc/ me idiots, and the few fusion bashers on a different thread and keep this one for significant commentary.

You are right. They do lose. A lot. As far as more skilled, I have doubts.

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:09 PM

QUOTE (Guest @ Jul 29 2010, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The coaches arent decided because they are shaking up things by the long overdue removal of the Girls Program coordinator etc.

I would ask alot of questions at Fusion before committing your family and your son to their program.

The questions you presented in your post are good. Also find out what happens if you dont try out....do you have the option to join a team later?

Will the younger teams be coaches by Paul Marco's BU players? Or by a real coach.

From what i remember last year they were hurting to get good quality coaches that were committed to player development rather than feeding their own egos or perversions.

I would ask for alot of answers, concrete answers before I committed.

My kids are older. They played for Vestal their whole childhood and didnt go to Fusion until they were U13. Never regretted it and never did I feel they were behind.

Id assume this move by Fusion is revenue driven, to offset dollars lost on the girls side from mismanagement this past couple years.

Sounds like a sensible approach. You may want to consider, along with getting concrete answers, having your son attend tryouts to get a feel for what to expect and to see who else is trying out. If you decide against it I am sure they will refund your registration fee within a given time period.

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 09:47 AM

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You are right. They do lose. A lot. As far as more skilled, I have doubts.

Point expressed. This is probably a "coach" or parent from another team. If you know the game and watch the kids you can see the difference. BCUnited has coaches not just parents who went to the weekend seminars. As the kids get older, the skills show. But, they lose alot now. Look at the past couple of years worth of Fusion players, love the program or hate it (and its staff) almost every one of those kids is playing college (mostly Div I) soccer. Around here, soccer really does not hit the papers or media, a couple of hard heads will make a "who cares, its soccer" remark but these kids go, play and excel. When the rough spots are all ironed out, this is a good local enterprise.

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 10:10 AM

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Point expressed. This is probably a "coach" or parent from another team. If you know the game and watch the kids you can see the difference. BCUnited has coaches not just parents who went to the weekend seminars. As the kids get older, the skills show. But, they lose alot now. Look at the past couple of years worth of Fusion players, love the program or hate it (and its staff) almost every one of those kids is playing college (mostly Div I) soccer. Around here, soccer really does not hit the papers or media, a couple of hard heads will make a "who cares, its soccer" remark but these kids go, play and excel. When the rough spots are all ironed out, this is a good local enterprise.

What age group are you referring too?

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Guest @ Jul 30 2010, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Point expressed. This is probably a "coach" or parent from another team. If you know the game and watch the kids you can see the difference. BCUnited has coaches not just parents who went to the weekend seminars. As the kids get older, the skills show. But, they lose alot now. Look at the past couple of years worth of Fusion players, love the program or hate it (and its staff) almost every one of those kids is playing college (mostly Div I) soccer. Around here, soccer really does not hit the papers or media, a couple of hard heads will make a "who cares, its soccer" remark but these kids go, play and excel. When the rough spots are all ironed out, this is a good local enterprise.

I totally disagree with your thought on Fusion and the product it has put out the past few years also about its "coaches".

How can you say the younger Fusion teams routinely get beat but have better skill? There were really no younger Fusion teams, the club was falling apart at younger ages its been said on here many times. Look at their own web page and notice the lack of teams no u12B, no u12G, no u14B, no u13G, combined teams for u15/16G and u16/17B. Notice they tried to add the u11 and u10 teams this year? They are falling apart and desperate for players/teams. If you pay the money you make the team thats not a premier club any way you cut it.

The majority of the Fusion players are not Div 1 players and actually the number of Div 1 players produced by the Binghamton area has gone down since Fusion began. FC Broome, the precursor to Fusion put out far more and stronger college players than Fusion its just they all didn't go to Binghamton University, they played in many other areas so it wasn't talked about as much. The best players this area has produced recently are not Fusion players they are people that have went out of the area for better teams. Look at the u18 B that won State Cup last year and see that at least 14 of those players are at BCC, TC3, Division 3 schools or not playing at all.

As for the coaches, with the huge loss of Jon Scott there is no proof that anyone in Fusion is a top level travel coach anymore. Paul Marco has done limited work with the teams, Jon did most of the work with the top boys teams in the past and many of those players have followed him to Hartwick and are leaving Binghamton because of it. The girls side is a mess and only Sarah McClellan has shown any coaching ability, the best coaches they ever had Elke and Danielle are both long gone. Shane Cook was a joke as Girls Head and for a second time he has hurt the program terribly again. Last time it was just one team that left this time the whole side paid the price for his involvement.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:13 AM

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I totally disagree with your thought on Fusion and the product it has put out the past few years also about its "coaches".

How can you say the younger Fusion teams routinely get beat but have better skill? There were really no younger Fusion teams, the club was falling apart at younger ages its been said on here many times. Look at their own web page and notice the lack of teams no u12B, no u12G, no u14B, no u13G, combined teams for u15/16G and u16/17B. Notice they tried to add the u11 and u10 teams this year? They are falling apart and desperate for players/teams. If you pay the money you make the team thats not a premier club any way you cut it.

The majority of the Fusion players are not Div 1 players and actually the number of Div 1 players produced by the Binghamton area has gone down since Fusion began. FC Broome, the precursor to Fusion put out far more and stronger college players than Fusion its just they all didn't go to Binghamton University, they played in many other areas so it wasn't talked about as much. The best players this area has produced recently are not Fusion players they are people that have went out of the area for better teams. Look at the u18 B that won State Cup last year and see that at least 14 of those players are at BCC, TC3, Division 3 schools or not playing at all.

As for the coaches, with the huge loss of Jon Scott there is no proof that anyone in Fusion is a top level travel coach anymore. Paul Marco has done limited work with the teams, Jon did most of the work with the top boys teams in the past and many of those players have followed him to Hartwick and are leaving Binghamton because of it. The girls side is a mess and only Sarah McClellan has shown any coaching ability, the best coaches they ever had Elke and Danielle are both long gone. Shane Cook was a joke as Girls Head and for a second time he has hurt the program terribly again. Last time it was just one team that left this time the whole side paid the price for his involvement.

Pretty much a dead on read about the club. Don't forget that they are starting a huge fight with the new Riley training stuff up at the dome. Pay him $300 for 17 weeks of training or Fusion 5x that amount, hmmm not a tough choice for me

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 11:40 AM

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The girls side is a mess and only Sarah McClellan has shown any coaching ability, the best coaches they ever had Elke and Danielle are both long gone. Shane Cook was a joke as Girls Head and for a second time he has hurt the program terribly again. Last time it was just one team that left this time the whole side paid the price for his involvement.

I sincerely hope that Shane and his girlfriend arent behind the Riley deal at the dome. Its no secret theyve been scamming NYS UEI and IRS for the past year with their illegal loophole management of APST. It seems a tad coincidental that he is "leaving" Fusion and this pops up at the dome. Make sure if you go to the dome that you arent wasting your money on something Shane Cook related. What the poster above me said about him and his involvement is 100% true.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 12:15 PM

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I sincerely hope that Shane and his girlfriend arent behind the Riley deal at the dome. Its no secret theyve been scamming NYS UEI and IRS for the past year with their illegal loophole management of APST. It seems a tad coincidental that he is "leaving" Fusion and this pops up at the dome. Make sure if you go to the dome that you arent wasting your money on something Shane Cook related. What the poster above me said about him and his involvement is 100% true.

Chris has no involvement with Shane at all, he is actually offering a very good service for the money IMHO. Its not for everyone but he is the first real soccer based trainer in the area.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 12:55 PM

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Pretty much a dead on read about the club. Don't forget that they are starting a huge fight with the new Riley training stuff up at the dome. Pay him $300 for 17 weeks of training or Fusion 5x that amount, hmmm not a tough choice for me

I agree with the poster it is too much for what you get.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 03:16 PM

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Chris has no involvement with Shane at all, he is actually offering a very good service for the money IMHO. Its not for everyone but he is the first real soccer based trainer in the area.

Really? Wow in light of this, it has my curiosity peaked and I know many others who are looking forward to a Shane/Fusion alternative. Are program details posted at the dome?

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 05:31 PM

On the home page of BC United...they spotlight 3 girls going on to to D1 schools. But they dont mention Tommy Moon? I thought Tommy was also going D1 at BU?

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 07:16 AM

You really can't go wrong with Rileys program. Rumor has it that Fusion wanted in on it and were denied. Either way it will give Fusion and the Marco clan a run for their money (literally.) Anyone who believes Marco has done wonders for soccer in this area is either new the soccer over the last 8-10 years or just likes giving away their money for nothing...

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 07:20 AM

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You really can't go wrong with Rileys program. Rumor has it that Fusion wanted in on it and were denied. Either way it will give Fusion and the Marco clan a run for their money (literally.) Anyone who believes Marco has done wonders for soccer in this area is either new the soccer over the last 8-10 years or just likes giving away their money for nothing...

I agree. Chris Riley runs a good program. He's pretty good teaching younger kids as well.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 07:24 AM

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You really can't go wrong with Rileys program. Rumor has it that Fusion wanted in on it and were denied. Either way it will give Fusion and the Marco clan a run for their money (literally.) Anyone who believes Marco has done wonders for soccer in this area is either new the soccer over the last 8-10 years or just likes giving away their money for nothing...

I totally agree. The only ones who think they have done wonders for soccer in the last 8-10 years are the blind and ignorant that they have leaned to snow over with their own false bravado and lies. The Marco/Cook clan is bad for youth soccer hands down. They both need to get out of Fusion and get away from kids. Waste of money compared to results received. There is poor communication, questionable intentions, shady interpretations of costs and expenses, and despite all their hubbub about not being in cahoots anymore with Fusion, they still are thick as thieves (literally).

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 07:25 AM

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I agree. Chris Riley runs a good program. He's pretty good teaching younger kids as well.

Its what the area needs. Someone with a good clean reputation (finally!!!) that runs a good program that isnt doused in drama and deceit. Good Luck Chris!

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:23 AM

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I totally agree. The only ones who think they have done wonders for soccer in the last 8-10 years are the blind and ignorant that they have leaned to snow over with their own false bravado and lies. The Marco/Cook clan is bad for youth soccer hands down. They both need to get out of Fusion and get away from kids. Waste of money compared to results received. There is poor communication, questionable intentions, shady interpretations of costs and expenses, and despite all their hubbub about not being in cahoots anymore with Fusion, they still are thick as thieves (literally).

AMEN Brother!!

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:24 AM

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Its what the area needs. Someone with a good clean reputation (finally!!!) that runs a good program that isnt doused in drama and deceit. Good Luck Chris!

Can I get another Amen my Brother!
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