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Posted 03 September 2010 - 01:10 PM

The sports media is finally picking up on what I've been saying for months now ... that Jeter is done. They are framing it in the context of him re-signing, I have been framing it in the context of him being moved waaaay down in the batting order ASAP.

How much longer can he be allowed to hurt the team by batting in the 1 or 2 spot? How many more seasons can the Yankees survive with a geriatric shortstop?

If Jeter wants to re-sign, then he has to take a gigantic pay cut, agree to a possible position change, and agree to be moved significantly down in the batting order. I wonder if The Captain will agree, knowing that A-Roid will be making almost $30 million per season until he needs a walker to get to the batter's box, into his 40s? Is The Captain willing to play for 1/3 of what A-Roid makes per year?

I can't wait to see what happens in the off-season!!!

Will he agree to the reasonable things that will be asked of him in order to re-sign, or will the gigantic ego get in the way? If I were in charge of re-signing him, I would make it clear that he will have to platoon in the outfield, and get some at-bats at DH ... basically be a fill-in player getting 200-250 at-bats per year. AND I'd only sign him to a two-year deal max, in the range of $5 - $8 million per season, with large incentives added just in case he actually is able to perform at a major league level.

He needs to retire after this season, get out before it gets embarrassing. He'll be remembered as one of the greatest Yankees of all-time. He shouldn't ruin that.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Yankees Fan @ Sep 3 2010, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The sports media is finally picking up on what I've been saying for months now ... that Jeter is done. They are framing it in the context of him re-signing, I have been framing it in the context of him being moved waaaay down in the batting order ASAP.

How much longer can he be allowed to hurt the team by batting in the 1 or 2 spot? How many more seasons can the Yankees survive with a geriatric shortstop?

If Jeter wants to re-sign, then he has to take a gigantic pay cut, agree to a possible position change, and agree to be moved significantly down in the batting order. I wonder if The Captain will agree, knowing that A-Roid will be making almost $30 million per season until he needs a walker to get to the batter's box, into his 40s? Is The Captain willing to play for 1/3 of what A-Roid makes per year?

I can't wait to see what happens in the off-season!!!

Will he agree to the reasonable things that will be asked of him in order to re-sign, or will the gigantic ego get in the way? If I were in charge of re-signing him, I would make it clear that he will have to platoon in the outfield, and get some at-bats at DH ... basically be a fill-in player getting 200-250 at-bats per year. AND I'd only sign him to a two-year deal max, in the range of $5 - $8 million per season, with large incentives added just in case he actually is able to perform at a major league level.

He needs to retire after this season, get out before it gets embarrassing. He'll be remembered as one of the greatest Yankees of all-time. He shouldn't ruin that.

Are you high? you claim that he is old and his movement is limited, yet you want him to move to the outfield? Yea lets move the all time hits leader in Yankee history to a part time player when he is so close to 3000 hits?
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 04:24 PM

He definitely should be moved, probably to left field.
Any reasonable baseball fan can recognize this.
He is plenty athletic enough to handle that position.
Where he bats in the line up is arbitrary in my mind.
Their line up is circular and fairly balanced.
Ideally he would bat 2nd where he belongs but who knows.

I wouldn't of minded seeing Cano and Tex bat 3-4 but now that Robbie is slumping things are fine
the way they are.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE (BuckedTooth @ Sep 3 2010, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He definitely should be moved, probably to left field.
Any reasonable baseball fan can recognize this.
He is plenty athletic enough to handle that position.
Where he bats in the line up is arbitrary in my mind.
Their line up is circular and fairly balanced.
Ideally he would bat 2nd where he belongs but who knows.

I wouldn't of minded seeing Cano and Tex bat 3-4 but now that Robbie is slumping things are fine
the way they are.



When an older player has an off year they say it is because he is old. maybe it is just an off year. Bring him back on a one year deal for 15 million dollars and let him play short. If he does not regain the old form then make the changes.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Yankees Fan @ Sep 3 2010, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The sports media is finally picking up on what I've been saying for months now ... that Jeter is done. They are framing it in the context of him re-signing, I have been framing it in the context of him being moved waaaay down in the batting order ASAP.

How much longer can he be allowed to hurt the team by batting in the 1 or 2 spot? How many more seasons can the Yankees survive with a geriatric shortstop?

If Jeter wants to re-sign, then he has to take a gigantic pay cut, agree to a possible position change, and agree to be moved significantly down in the batting order. I wonder if The Captain will agree, knowing that A-Roid will be making almost $30 million per season until he needs a walker to get to the batter's box, into his 40s? Is The Captain willing to play for 1/3 of what A-Roid makes per year?

I can't wait to see what happens in the off-season!!!

Will he agree to the reasonable things that will be asked of him in order to re-sign, or will the gigantic ego get in the way? If I were in charge of re-signing him, I would make it clear that he will have to platoon in the outfield, and get some at-bats at DH ... basically be a fill-in player getting 200-250 at-bats per year. AND I'd only sign him to a two-year deal max, in the range of $5 - $8 million per season, with large incentives added just in case he actually is able to perform at a major league level.

He needs to retire after this season, get out before it gets embarrassing. He'll be remembered as one of the greatest Yankees of all-time. He shouldn't ruin that.


No doubt he his having an off year but to simply say he is done is a bit of a stretch....maybe he is having an off year, maybe he is staring to decline, or some combination but it will take more than qne off year to onsider him done. Don't forget last year he batted .334, 18HR with 66RBI's from the leadoff spot, won the gold glove and finished 3rd in MVP voting and had a great post season.


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Posted 03 September 2010 - 10:26 PM

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When an older player has an off year they say it is because he is old. maybe it is just an off year. Bring him back on a one year deal for 15 million dollars and let him play short. If he does not regain the old form then make the changes.

Considering his age, you'd have to be delusional to think that he is going to regain the old form! Simply delusional!

A good GM nips it in the bud, BEFORE it comes to the point that he is the worst hitter in the lineup. But we all know that CashMan is the worst GM in baseball, so he'll probably sign Jeter to a 10-year deal for $250 million guaranteed.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE (BuckedTooth @ Sep 3 2010, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He definitely should be moved, probably to left field.
Any reasonable baseball fan can recognize this.
He is plenty athletic enough to handle that position.
Where he bats in the line up is arbitrary in my mind.
Their line up is circular and fairly balanced.
Ideally he would bat 2nd where he belongs but who knows.

I wouldn't of minded seeing Cano and Tex bat 3-4 but now that Robbie is slumping things are fine
the way they are.

Where he bats in the lineup is not arbitrary!

Not to be mean but ... obviously you have NO clue how a lineup is constructed and why. That's ok though. Let me give you a few nuggets: You need high OBP guys at the top of your lineup to get on base for the big boppers in the middle of your lineup. Jeter has a terrible OBP, and therefore he CANNOT bat at or near the top of the lineup as a tablesetter for the big RBI guys at 3-4-5. Ideally, he should be moved down to 8th or 9th because he also has NO power left, as shown in his slugging percentage.

You think that where Jeter bats is "arbitrary" and the Yankees lineup is "circular and fairly balanced." Wow! That's all I can say, WOW!!!

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 10:38 PM

QUOTE (Navin R Johnson @ Sep 3 2010, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you high? you claim that he is old and his movement is limited, yet you want him to move to the outfield? Yea lets move the all time hits leader in Yankee history to a part time player when he is so close to 3000 hits?

The 3000 hits is the only reasonable counterargument in this thread.

And you're high if you can't understand why mobility is a serious issue at SS, but less so in the OF.

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 08:25 AM

I can understand the anti-Yankee haters hackin on Jeter. Year in and year out they get their words fed back to them by the captain. I expect the same thing to happen yet again in the post season this year as el capitan and company get fitted for another ring (I believe that will make it 6 for DJ) ...

The haters have been waiting a long time for the day when Derek's performance starts to erode with age. After all - to the countless weenies who live to take shots at the greatest franchise in the history of sports - it is ALL about the Yankees to them (they just don't realize it).

I trust the Yankees will deal with Jeter with class and dignity as his career winds down over the next 5 years or so. In turn, Jeter will accept his role (and slightly reduced but still generous salary) and do whatever is necessary to make the Yankees the best team on the field. Everyone is waiting and watching this to see if this process gets ugly. This Yankee fan believes that the the Yankees and Jeter will come to an arrangement that will be the template for all organizations to follow for years to come - with Jeter setting an example as a player for all future Yankees and all aging ballplayers to follow.

ALSO - expect yet another stellar post season from the captain. He will be back next year at SS and back in the #2 hole - collecting his 200 hits, 100 runs, 10-15 HRs while batting .280 - .300 (OBP : .350 - .400).

He's only 35.

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 11:07 AM

Good call Joe ...

The Haters will keep banging the drum - dreaming of the day when DJ is gone .

Here's to El capitan's and the Yankees' continued success. Wouldn't it be great if he made a John Elway exit X # of years from now - World series trophy and MVP award in tow.

A fitting end to a truly great career and one more accolade for the greatest ambassador of the game today.

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE (JoeLefebvre @ Sep 4 2010, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can understand the anti-Yankee haters hackin on Jeter. Year in and year out they get their words fed back to them by the captain. I expect the same thing to happen yet again in the post season this year as el capitan and company get fitted for another ring (I believe that will make it 6 for DJ) ...

The haters have been waiting a long time for the day when Derek's performance starts to erode with age. After all - to the countless weenies who live to take shots at the greatest franchise in the history of sports - it is ALL about the Yankees to them (they just don't realize it).

I trust the Yankees will deal with Jeter with class and dignity as his career winds down over the next 5 years or so. In turn, Jeter will accept his role (and slightly reduced but still generous salary) and do whatever is necessary to make the Yankees the best team on the field. Everyone is waiting and watching this to see if this process gets ugly. This Yankee fan believes that the the Yankees and Jeter will come to an arrangement that will be the template for all organizations to follow for years to come - with Jeter setting an example as a player for all future Yankees and all aging ballplayers to follow.

ALSO - expect yet another stellar post season from the captain. He will be back next year at SS and back in the #2 hole - collecting his 200 hits, 100 runs, 10-15 HRs while batting .280 - .300 (OBP : .350 - .400).

He's only 35.

The best thing Jeter could do for the Yankees going forward, is to accept 200-300 at-bats per season while platooning in the outfield and batting 9th. Anything short of that is pure ego.

Yeah, we will setup a "template" for all organizations ... whose payroll is disturbingly higher than every other team in baseball. No other organization can afford to do what the Yankees can do. Not one!

200 hits for Jeter next year? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only 35-years-old? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not that I hate Jeter, I respect the heck out of him, it's that I don't want to see him and CashMan cost us any rings in the future. CashMan has been killing us for year now, but that's another story. Jeter doesn't have the right to play poorly until he's 40-years-old. No player has that right, I don't care if he's brought us 15 rings. The guy has made how many tens of millions off of us? That's fan-loyalty and team-loyalty enough.

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 12:09 PM

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Good call Joe ...

The Haters will keep banging the drum - dreaming of the day when DJ is gone .

Here's to El capitan's and the Yankees' continued success. Wouldn't it be great if he made a John Elway exit X # of years from now - World series trophy and MVP award in tow.

A fitting end to a truly great career and one more accolade for the greatest ambassador of the game today.

It would be great!!! I love Jeter, but I don't want him killing us for the next three years playing SS and batting 1st or 2nd in the lineup.

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 12:22 PM

Does it matter that just 10 months ago Mr. Jeter was 3rd in the MVP voting? Probably not to the retards.

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Does it matter that just 10 months ago Mr. Jeter was 3rd in the MVP voting? Probably not to the retards.

And oh what a difference a year makes when you get old!!!

But I guess us retards stupidly take age into consideration when talking about athletic performance. Boy are we retarded for doing that!

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 09:44 PM

You are a Jeter hater stop saying you are. Your probably the same nut that said tex was done during his earlier slump. Look the guy had the best year of his career last year. Back off. One player dosent make the team anyhow.


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Posted 04 September 2010 - 09:55 PM

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And oh what a difference a year makes when you get old!!!

But I guess us retards stupidly take age into consideration when talking about athletic performance. Boy are we retarded for doing that!

Yes you are. But then again anyone can see that

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 06:54 AM

Look for Jete to sign a 10-year contract worth about $350 million. I think he'll be able to play SS for most of that time and just DH on the days he needs a breather. He'll get hit #3000 next year and before he retires he'll break Pete Rose's record and be the all-time hit king and probably collect about 4-6 more rings.

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 01:56 PM

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Look for Jete to sign a 10-year contract worth about $350 million. I think he'll be able to play SS for most of that time and just DH on the days he needs a breather. He'll get hit #3000 next year and before he retires he'll break Pete Rose's record and be the all-time hit king and probably collect about 4-6 more rings.

Ruth
Jeter
DiMaggio
Mantle
Gehrig

In that order.

He'll only get 4-6 more rings if they fire the CashMan, the worst GM in baseball.

Though I'm not sure if him + ARoid each getting $25-$30 mill per, when they are in their 40s, is going to get many rings for The Captain. Unless they can both DH and bat 9th. Otherwise, they will make for the worst left-side infield in the majors 3 years from now, while each batting around .225

We are already on the hook with ARoid until he's 42 FREAKIN years old. We don't need to be on the hook with Jeter as well, for that long and anywhere near that much money. Sign Jeter for two more years, after that it's year-to-year max length.

If anything, after Jeter's next two-year deal is up, cut ARoid and move Jeter to 3B. The CashMan will just have to eat more money to make up for that HORRIBLE insanely long contract for A-Roid in which the CashMan was bidding up the price against himself. CashMan has made so many bad deals, he's used to spending money to try and clean up after himself. ARoid is just about done, give him is walking papers and move Jeter over to 3B.

I'd love Jeter to stay, and produce at a high level but he likely will not. Therefore, he cannot be signed to any long term deals or an elite salary. Let him get to 3000 hits, and then keep him year-to-year.

I have no problem with you ranking him as the 2nd greatest Yankee of all-time. That's probably accurate.

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 04:16 PM

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He'll only get 4-6 more rings if they fire the CashMan, the worst GM in baseball.

Though I'm not sure if him + ARoid each getting $25-$30 mill per, when they are in their 40s, is going to get many rings for The Captain. Unless they can both DH and bat 9th. Otherwise, they will make for the worst left-side infield in the majors 3 years from now, while each batting around .225

We are already on the hook with ARoid until he's 42 FREAKIN years old. We don't need to be on the hook with Jeter as well, for that long and anywhere near that much money. Sign Jeter for two more years, after that it's year-to-year max length.

If anything, after Jeter's next two-year deal is up, cut ARoid and move Jeter to 3B. The CashMan will just have to eat more money to make up for that HORRIBLE insanely long contract for A-Roid in which the CashMan was bidding up the price against himself. CashMan has made so many bad deals, he's used to spending money to try and clean up after himself. ARoid is just about done, give him is walking papers and move Jeter over to 3B.

I'd love Jeter to stay, and produce at a high level but he likely will not. Therefore, he cannot be signed to any long term deals or an elite salary. Let him get to 3000 hits, and then keep him year-to-year.

I have no problem with you ranking him as the 2nd greatest Yankee of all-time. That's probably accurate.


Just my VERY sarcastic response to the Anti-Yankee and Jeter threads that are just the same old.

Blame Hank and Hal for the A-Rod contract. It's my understanding Cashman wanted to cut the strings, but was overruled.

The only way Jeter can move up to 2nd on the all-time Yankee list is to overachieve for the next 3-5 years. You'll never hear me say he can't, but we all know it's unlikely. Let's see what the guy has left. It's going to be an interesting offseason and contract negotiation. I just can't see Jeter going out like Mays stumbling around in the outfield in a Mets uniform. I think he'll know when it's time. Some may argue it's time now, but you can't count out a guy like Jeter. Not yet at least. Let's see how the postseason goes.

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 04:35 PM

I'm a hugeYankee fan but Im wondering if Jeter should be eback next year. If he does come back it should be at a discount rate. The Yankees should let the new kids take over and see what they can do. Maybe sign him a one year deal as a backup and help the rookie. Give Mo whatever he wants, and i like Girardi but I wouldnt be sad to see him go. Joe torre won't be coaching the Dodgers next year. would the Yankees bring Torre back???




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