Class A Football

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 10:14 AM

What happened to Class A football around here? It used to be one of the most exciting to watch and now has turned into the most boring. ME and Vestal play South and Free Academy -they both stink (ESS and RFA) -possibly the only good game will be ME and Vestal. I know its no schools fault where they end up its enrollment -just like to watch some good football. Both these teams would have been better off in Class B. Class B seems huge- to bad they could not have divided that up differently. And to not watch ME and JC play is a huge disappoint-bummer-good rivalry game. Well guess times change.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 11:47 AM

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What happened to Class A football around here? It used to be one of the most exciting to watch and now has turned into the most boring. ME and Vestal play South and Free Academy -they both stink (ESS and RFA) -possibly the only good game will be ME and Vestal. I know its no schools fault where they end up its enrollment -just like to watch some good football. Both these teams would have been better off in Class B. Class B seems huge- to bad they could not have divided that up differently. And to not watch ME and JC play is a huge disappoint-bummer-good rivalry game. Well guess times change.

Why do you want to watch a good game?.. They are all meaningless excercises, and have no value...The only contests that matter are the playoff ones.. just ask wildcat warbler..you should do as he does stay at home till nov..he is the smart one..

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 05:49 PM

I enjoy high school football, but I also like a good competitive game as a spectator. Class A is just horrible this year as far as competition, ME or Vestal should run this. But to go watch them beat up on teams like Waverly or Dryden not so fun.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 07:02 PM

What happened? The population in this state is declining. as is the overall quality of HS Football in this area! The population in Broome County is getting older and older and older - there are not as many kids in this State as their used to be.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 06:27 AM

QUOTE (Guest @ Sep 9 2010, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What happened to Class A football around here? It used to be one of the most exciting to watch and now has turned into the most boring. ME and Vestal play South and Free Academy -they both stink (ESS and RFA) -possibly the only good game will be ME and Vestal. I know its no schools fault where they end up its enrollment -just like to watch some good football. Both these teams would have been better off in Class B. Class B seems huge- to bad they could not have divided that up differently. And to not watch ME and JC play is a huge disappoint-bummer-good rivalry game. Well guess times change.

Bring back the old Southern Tier conference setup. Local teams should play each other period. The smaller schools won't beat the larger schools very often but that's life. Kids want to play against their neighboring school districts not out of town teams.
Some overpaid educator type thinks less people will be offended if you play against a school with the same enrollment as your school. No matter what the setup is someone is going to finish first and someone is going to finish last.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 07:26 AM

QUOTE (Guest @ Sep 9 2010, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What happened to Class A football around here? It used to be one of the most exciting to watch and now has turned into the most boring. ME and Vestal play South and Free Academy -they both stink (ESS and RFA) -possibly the only good game will be ME and Vestal. I know its no schools fault where they end up its enrollment -just like to watch some good football. Both these teams would have been better off in Class B. Class B seems huge- to bad they could not have divided that up differently. And to not watch ME and JC play is a huge disappoint-bummer-good rivalry game. Well guess times change.

what happened to the A's is that the best team is corning east and they are now a AA with west. Not too hard to understand

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 08:13 AM

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[b]Bring back the old Southern Tier conference setup.[/b] Local teams should play each other period. The smaller schools won't beat the larger schools very often but that's life. Kids want to play against their neighboring school districts not out of town teams.

Pretty much a horrible idea. For the most part schools do play a lot of local districts, with a mix of others, mostly a round similar size.

To go strictly back to leagues (STAC, MAc, IAC etc) would make it very hard to have playoffs other than 1-game bowl matchups like in the 80s. To have a representative in AA, A, B they have to play a semblance of common opponents else you will run into cases where a team might b a B-sized school, is 7-0 and had only played a couple of B schools yet another team who likely could be MUCH better has a worse record due to a tougher schedule.

If there were no state playoffs, I agree, go back to the old league play. Otherwise we have to stay with what we have.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 08:18 AM

what happened to the A's is that the best team is corning east and they are now a AA with west. Not too hard to understand

Your an idiot. Missed the whole point.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:53 AM

Yes he did miss the point-I would much rather see ME and Vestal play schools like JC, Owego etc.. then Dryden or Waverly- looking at the schedules I would say a good game may be Corning and Binghamton. Other than that I don't know.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:56 AM

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Yes he did miss the point-I would much rather see ME and Vestal play schools like JC, Owego etc.. then Dryden or Waverly- looking at the schedules I would say a good game may be Corning and Binghamton. Other than that I don't know.

There are a ton of behind the scenes logistics that you know nothing about that have a huge impact on the schedule and who plays who. It's extremely complicated and convoluted. If you can make the schedule better, go right ahead.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 10:22 AM

There are a ton of behind the scenes logistics that you know nothing about that have a huge impact on the schedule and who plays who. It's extremely complicated and convoluted. If you can make the schedule better, go right ahead.

I said I understood that from the beginning and yes I do think I could do better-but if people prefer boring football around here then so be it. ME's only game worth even going to this year is Binghamton-not a bash against anyone just saying they are not playing anyone decent this year and yes i realize its not their fault.. I was hoping Vestal would have something but they don't. Sorry if competitive football bothers you. Corning probably the best team around due to the merge-would have been great to see them play ME even in non conference.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 05:06 PM

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Pretty much a horrible idea. For the most part schools do play a lot of local districts, with a mix of others, mostly a round similar size.

To go strictly back to leagues (STAC, MAc, IAC etc) would make it very hard to have playoffs other than 1-game bowl matchups like in the 80s. To have a representative in AA, A, B they have to play a semblance of common opponents else you will run into cases where a team might b a B-sized school, is 7-0 and had only played a couple of B schools yet another team who likely could be MUCH better has a worse record due to a tougher schedule.

If there were no state playoffs, I agree, go back to the old league play. Otherwise we have to stay with what we have.

I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it but fail to see why teams can't stay within their respective leagues for football. It works for every other sport. What am I missing?

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 08:49 PM

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I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it but fail to see why teams can't stay within their respective leagues for football. It works for every other sport. What am I missing?

I would think that it has to do with the logistics VERY short regular season schedule and ONE game per week. To participate in the state playoffs each section has to determine a champion in that class after 10 weeks. It's up to each section how they do it. You pretty much can only have two in-section playoff rounds at most, so that leaves 8 regular season games to fairly decide which FOUR teams make the playoffs. To do that you have to play a balanced schedule of your peers (schools the same size) in a division.

Other sports can have up to three or four games a week, even more in baseball and softball. Thus you can have 12 or more teams in the playoffs and keep the league setups.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 11:23 PM

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Your an idiot. Missed the whole point.

And "you're" in need of grammar lessons.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 01:05 AM

Back in my day, I played in STAC DIII and Class C for the state playoffs.

Yes we were a smaller school, but we played the smaller schools in our division + games against neighboring schools that were bigger. We played DI and DII schools and we loved it even though they were bigger schools. We played many neighborhood rivals and kids we knew growing up. For example, we knew many of the baseball players from Little League tournaments, summer basketball, etc...

When we played bigger schools, we knew we had to bring our A-game, and a win meant a lot more because it was usually considered an upset.

If I played today, I'd be in a division with schools that I've never even heard of, and have to bus out to the middle of nowhere for 1/2 the games I played in for every sport. That would have sucked!

I don't understand why it changed it? We played in Class C for the state playoffs, and that was perfectly fair. What was wrong with that system? Other than that we had a competitive advantage because we played against tougher competition during the season.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 06:30 AM

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Back in my day, I played in STAC DIII and Class C for the state playoffs.

Yes we were a smaller school, but we played the smaller schools in our division + games against neighboring schools that were bigger. We played DI and DII schools and we loved it even though they were bigger schools. We played many neighborhood rivals and kids we knew growing up. For example, we knew many of the baseball players from Little League tournaments, summer basketball, etc...

When we played bigger schools, we knew we had to bring our A-game, and a win meant a lot more because it was usually considered an upset.

If I played today, I'd be in a division with schools that I've never even heard of, and have to bus out to the middle of nowhere for 1/2 the games I played in for every sport. That would have sucked!

I don't understand why it changed it? We played in Class C for the state playoffs, and that was perfectly fair. What was wrong with that system? Other than that we had a competitive advantage because we played against tougher competition during the season.

First of all who did you play for? There weren't many C schools in the STAC's. Maybe SCC. The section adopted the system for many different reasons. Waverly was actually playing a schedule with many PA teams and then being in the bowl system for section 4. Could you imagine that today?

Second, you always bring your A-game.

What's wrong with playing teams you never heard of? Keep the rivalrys and make more!

Lastly, you NEVER played in the state playoffs when the STAC was still around. The section has run the section since they have started the playoff system.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 08:00 AM

Dear God Trumansburg beat Dryden, man if ME had an easier of a schedule they wouldn't even need to show up -have to agree this scheduling for these schools stinks. I would much rather see ME play JC and other surrounding schools than these ridiculous small schools and schools so far away. Whoever does this scheduling is either trying to give them easy wins or doesn't know football at all. The poster said boring-this goes beyond-there could have been some decent games-what a shame for all involved. And don't write back and tell me the politics of this all-don't care.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 08:09 AM

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Lastly, you NEVER played in the state playoffs when the STAC was still around. The section has run the section since they have started the playoff system.

Glad you pointed that out to the post you replied to. In fact, the section was running it BEFORE the "state" playoffs began.

Bowl games started in 1980 with matchups of divisional champs of the various leagues.

Then in either 1986 or 1987 (too lazy to look it up), league football ended in Section 4 and Section 4 divisions started. One round of state playoffs began in the late 80s and the full "state" playoffs as we now know them started in 1993.

Kinda rushed for time right now. I want to also respond to the same post you did, hopefully tonight.

The unofficial Section 4 Football web site is at:
www.section4football.com

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 08:56 AM

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Kids want to play against their neighboring school districts not out of town teams.

Kids want to play the best competition they possibly can (at least the ones at the quality programs do). I'm sure if you polled the players at U-E, they'd much rather test themselves by going up against a team like M-W than beating up on some local patsy. Same goes for Forks, Walton, etc.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 01:42 PM

So I decided to go the ME game -should have used my better judgment-of course ME is killing them Waverly has nothing-they could play the JV team and lose. I would much rather watch a rivalry game like JC and I think the players would enjoy it way more too. To bad this sucks for everyone.